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Poster: kochman Date: Dec 31, 2009 9:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too many Dark Stars during Europe '72?

well, dude, if the guy hadn't trolled around and then harassed me constantly here, I wouldn't have posted his dynamic IP addresses. He was warned.

I have over 700 members, and how many IP addresses?
And, how many have I posted? Only one persons.

Pretty weak post actually elbow. That's cool. I get your point, but when cliff started talking about vaginas on my site, repeatedly, I think standard protocol went out the window... no? When asked to stop? When using several user names simply to be insulting? At what point would you have drawn the line?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 1, 2010 4:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too many Dark Stars during Europe '72?

"Pretty weak post actually elbow. That's cool. I get your point, but when cliff started talking about vaginas on my site, repeatedly, I think standard protocol went out the window... no? When asked to stop? When using several user names simply to be insulting? At what point would you have drawn the line?"

Sorry that I did not live up to your standards, I'll try harder next time. However I don't think you got my point. I don't care if Cliff is acting like a troll at your site. I'll admit that I don't understand why he bothers but that is not my business. It seems to me that you have a certain responsibility as someone that runs a site and has that information. Sure its 1/700 but that's one more than I am comfortable with and I suspect I am not alone. I believe part of that agreement also says that you have the right to delete offensive material. I think you should deal with that at your site and not dump it here (too offensive for LSP but not for those swines at the GD forum at IA?). As for his comments here about you, well I think those you should deal with here, but not by dumping stuff here that is "too offensive" for LSP or by releasing information that you received and said you would not release as part of an agreement. Two wrongs make a right? Personally if I were you, I would ban Cliff from LSP (i am sure if he re-registered it wouldn't take many post to figure it out or find out how deadhook manages to ban people and prevent the multi-posting) and I would ignore him here. If you and some of your friends would not respond, then it would die. When Jackie Robinson first broke the color barrier in baseball, the Dodgers owner Branch Rickey asked him not to respond to the insults that he was going to receive from other teams. Robinson questioned him about this and asked him why he didn't want him to "be a man" and defend himself. Rickey told him that he would be more of a man if he ignored it. Cliff has not done himself any favors in the eyes of many because of his stance on several things, however instead of letting him make his mistakes and being above the fray, you and some of your friends choose to jump in and get dirty with him. Take this thread as an example. If you notice the initial responses to this thread, they were not about LSP they were about the music. I know I based part of my response on a debate I attempted to have with you regarding the To Terrapin release and I don't believe it was derogatory in any way to you or LSP. In fact it appears that no one actually decided to use Cliff's post to bash you or LSP. Instead we turned into a positive and interesting conversation about the music. Who knows maybe if you hadn't decided to turn the post about Cliff, maybe he had inadvertently given people a reason to check out LSP. Pretty ironic eh?

My problem with you Kochman is that you use this place but offer nothing in return. You lurk, I suspect because the music-related conversations here are very good. You only post to let new lurkers know of LSP (you said this yourself somewhere in one of these threads) and even when you did try to post about music, you hold back because you clearly don't want to use your "A" material here. I recall your response to my questioning you about calling May '77 overrated was that you understood what I was asking but you didn't want to respond "here" about it. Now you are using this place as a dumping grounds for the problems you have had at LSP with Cliff. Does this make you a troll? I don't think so. Selfish? Maybe.

Good luck with your site in the new year.

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2010-01-01 12:01:08

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 1, 2010 4:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too many Dark Stars during Europe '72?

This precisely right, KMan. elb has made the point better than I did above. You have violated the trust of every person that posts at your site. You cannot, as I said before, hide behind "returning the favor!".

It's as if you're a bad cop; running a site entails responsibility. Sure, if a criminal does something to you you can cry foul, but you can't use your position of power to abuse the criminal...unless you're from Jersey...How would I, someone fearful of web based abuses to start (as a Luddite/techno twit) EVER feel I could come over to your site now??? I'd assume those that love 68 are next...I'd never post without pulling my punches for fear of upsetting someone with info about me, etc.

So, live up to the trust that was placed in you, and just return to your healthy, happy, busy site with all that it entails to make it better and self fulfilling.

Then, drop by and we can discuss Stanligrad and the T-34 sometime over here!

Happy New Year, kid!

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 1, 2010 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too many Dark Stars during Europe '72?

Cliff has at least 5 accounts at LSP... and a dynamic IP (as I have shown)

Pass judgment on me all you like, I am just trying to get Dennis to stop his BS.

This post was modified by kochman on 2010-01-01 16:26:33